tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29111830.post2166609409142830156..comments2023-10-18T09:49:05.749-06:00Comments on Being the Urban Koda: Master of PuppetsUrban Kodahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01327437055164051853noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29111830.post-3764356716753539882009-07-27T22:07:52.360-06:002009-07-27T22:07:52.360-06:00All excellent points, and I think I can agree with...All excellent points, and I think I can agree with most of them.<br /><br />On the Islamic Obama thing though, I think you nailed it...<br /><br /><i>Honestly, as someone who both listens every day and is an independent thinker, I don't see how these people could have derived this from Beck's show at all.</i><br /><br />Independent thinker is key there. In my experience, many ditto heads are not, but I would also agree that many liberals are not independent thinkers either. The nation generally has allowed itself to be polarized by corrupt politicians on both sides.<br /><br />I'm definitely not as independent a thinker as I would like to be, but I'm trying to get there. I think I still have some baggage from my Rush and Beck years.<br /><br />I may have said this before, but I saw the last election come down to 2 realistic options (I wish there had been more.) <br /><br />Either way the Federal Government was going to take more money and spend even more. The choice was do we want to spend money blowing the crap out of the Arabs, or socializing medicine.<br /><br />And with Bush and Hitler. Bush was by no means s Hitler, I just think the tactics were similar, although Bush didn't take it as far as Hitler. As you point out though, perhaps many of Obama's tactics could be considered Hitlerian in application as well. No good decision can ever come when fear is used as the motivator.Urban Kodahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01327437055164051853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29111830.post-59847894591356342992009-07-27T20:17:40.843-06:002009-07-27T20:17:40.843-06:00Might as well have said Barack Obama... "Of c...Might as well have said Barack Obama... "Of course the people don't want SOCIALIZED MEDICINE. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them THAT HUMANITY IS DOOMED, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism <i>(Remember according to Biden, Patriotism is paying taxes)</i>, and exposing the country to greater danger."d. sirmizenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29111830.post-90359757467147245252009-07-27T19:49:41.001-06:002009-07-27T19:49:41.001-06:00"Would you agree though, that regardless, he ...<b>"Would you agree though, that regardless, he utilizes fear as a means to communicate his message?"</b><br /><br />I do. As does every politician, including Obama- "we must pass tomorrow or the world will fall apart!" (not a direct quote, but he's used this language to promote bailouts, industry takeovers, cap and trade, and health care. Remember Rahm Emmanual's famous "don't let a good crisis go to waste" quote? The Global Warming lobby is a great example of using fear (climate change doom) to convince an unwitting populus drink the Kool-Aid.<br /><br /><b>"It might also explain them believing the dashboard Obama is actually Islamic Extremist Obama."</b><br /><br />This I don't buy. If they actually listen to Beck, they'd know it was anything but an islamic comparison. There was never any insinuation to that effect. Honestly, as someone who both listens every day and is an independent thinker, I don't see how these people could have derived this from Beck's show at all.<br /><br /><b>Would you agree that we have a broken medical system??</b><br /><br />I would, but I hardly think socialism is the answer. Government is part of the reason it's broken. How on earth is government the answer? The thing that scares the crap out of me on this is that Obama is ramming it thru. He admitted Friday(?) that he was unfamiliar with the contents of the House bill, yet he's still pushing like crazy for it to be passed NOW!, or the world will end. (There's the scare tactics again- why are only conservatives criticized for doing this?) Nobody has even read the damn bill. We're going to fundamentally change this country on a freaking whim? It blows my mind how dangerous this is.<br /><br /><b>George Bush and Dick Cheney, did a great deal to promote hatred against the Arab world. 9/11 offered a great opportunity to attack Iraq, and as with any war, a great many people profited from those actions.<br /><br />That is why the Bush Administration can be compared with Hitler.</b><br /><br />Ok, the Iraq war thing is getting old. Yes, he used fear as opportunity. Yes, the main stated reason for going was bogus. I'm not sure that one war, which was foolish but not illegal (I studied international relations for 2 years, focused on Middle East and UN-- our action was not illegal), constitutes a Hitler comparison. At least not moreso than a president TAKING OVER the country's financial institutions and entire industries, usurping the census, appointing countless unaccountable czars, socializing health care with no say from the public, and using unchecked power to completely transform a nation's economy-- all under the guises of "hope" and "change."<br /><br />When this is over, Obama and the Democrats will control every facet of American life. And that's not an exagguration.<br /><br />But Bush is Hitler, huh?d. sirmizenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29111830.post-50284546337242039692009-07-27T18:47:20.595-06:002009-07-27T18:47:20.595-06:00Finally George Bush and Hitler...
Hitler gained p...Finally George Bush and Hitler...<br /><br />Hitler gained popularity by targeting a group of people and stirring up hatred against them. I'm not saying he was purely to blame, but he helped advance the movement against the Jews, which resulted in the Holocaust.<br /><br />Said Herman Goering... "Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."<br /><br />That could almost be a Dick Cheney quote as well...<br /><br />George Bush and Dick Cheney, did a great deal to promote hatred against the Arab world. 9/11 offered a great opportunity to attack Iraq, and as with any war, a great many people profited from those actions.<br /><br />That is why the Bush Administration can be compared with Hitler.Urban Kodahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01327437055164051853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29111830.post-32073406719039893782009-07-27T18:47:10.454-06:002009-07-27T18:47:10.454-06:00The whole health care thing...
I was self emplo...The whole health care thing... <br /><br />I was self employed for a while. I tried to get insurance. My wife had an EKG some years ago which came back negative. The doctor used it to rule something out. She's fine. But because she had the test, IHC would not insure her, and they wanted $600+ to insure me. It was ridiculous.<br /><br />Quality Medical Care in this country is limited to a dimishing group who have employer provided health insurance and the wealthy. The amount of money collected by Insurance Executives and Drug Companies is both obscene and immoral.<br /><br />This is no longer a Capitalist Country. It's uses a Crony Capitalist system which benefits the wealthy, and penalizes the lower class. It's a huge problem.<br /><br />I'm torn on the socialist ideas behind the system. On one hand, I can truly appreciate the ideals behind a pure capitalist system, but on the other hand, the system is corrupt and an increasing majority are being left without insurance. The wealthy have become such through their own hard work, but also through the ideals of this country, and many of her citizens. They have a social responsibility to give something back. <br /><br />Free Emergency Room care is not the answer. I suspect that even if I didn't have insurance they would still try to come after me for the money. The insured and the uninsured citizens of this country are all getting screwed by this.<br /><br />Would you agree that we have a broken medical system?Urban Kodahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01327437055164051853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29111830.post-44459867365345343002009-07-27T18:46:59.360-06:002009-07-27T18:46:59.360-06:00Perhaps we're both right on this one... I alm...Perhaps we're both right on this one... I almost began my posting by suggesting that there might be two kinds of listeners... Those who listen and form their own opinions, and those who feed off the host. I would definitely lump you in with the first group.<br /><br />Perhaps it's more complicated than that. People seek for someone who articulates their beliefs and find Rush. Rush takes that, adds some fear, personal agenda and stirring up of the listeners emotions, and gives they then take that and a viscous cycle is born.<br /><br />10 years ago, I was the brain dead Rush listener, feeding off the fear and parroting everything he said like it was gospel. Maybe my view of him is part observation and part personal experience.<br /><br />Would you agree though, that regardless, he utilizes fear as a means to communicate his message?<br /><br />Obama being the anti-christ... I agree with you hear... He did quip about it though, and these people still whole heartedly believe it. Perhaps it was a case of them formulating the idea, and wanting so hard to believe Glenn said this, that this is what they heard. It might also explain them believing the dashboard Obama is actually Islamic Extremist Obama. It might also explain their wacked out ideas on health care reform too. My only source of this is people who claim Rush to be their only source of information and claim that Obama's health-care plan proposes abortions on 2 year old kids. If Rush actually said this, the media would nail him to the wall, but I believe he has helped to create an illusion where his listeners could believe such idea.<br /><br />I think back to when I was a ditto head, and I could honestly not fathom how anyone in their right mind could vote for a Democrat.Urban Kodahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01327437055164051853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29111830.post-22998067046017650772009-07-27T18:08:23.893-06:002009-07-27T18:08:23.893-06:00Bush being similar to Hitler in ideology is far le...<b>Bush being similar to Hitler in ideology is far less of a reach than Obama being an Islamic extremist.</b><br /><br />Even though this quote is based on a flawed premise (that Obama is being compared to an Islamic extremist-- he is not), I have to call you on this: You claim that comparing Obama to a Muslim extremist is "far less" of a stretch than comparing Bush to Hitler. How so?d. sirmizenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29111830.post-8934080039304387802009-07-27T17:03:38.326-06:002009-07-27T17:03:38.326-06:00"Mr. Limbaugh has become a drug to his audien...<b>"Mr. Limbaugh has become a drug to his audience that replaces their logic and free thought, with his opinions."</b><br /><br />Wrong, in most cases. Like I explained above, Rush's dictation of stats and political analysis probably substitutes for some of his listeners' independent analysis. But their opinions are theres. Rush simply validates and articulates what people already believe. Just like MSNBC does. In that sense, the medium is the puppet, not the consumer.<br /><br />-----<br /><br /><b>Such is the case when Beck quipped that Obama was the anti-christ</b><br /><br />I don't want to go through this again, but this allegation is patently false.<br /><br />-----<br /><br /><b>"The new health-care plan will allow abortions on children up to the age of 2."<br /><br />"The new health-care plan is designed to kill anyone over the age of 70."</b><br /><br />I'm not a Rush fan. In fact I can't stand the man. But I listen most days because I'm A.D.D. and am bored out of my mind by silence or music. I don't know if you're implying that your friends got these notions from Rush, but I can tell you that he has never said, nor implied these things. Michael Savage, maybe. But not Rush, and certainly not Beck.<br /><br />-----<br /><br /><b>"Interestingly enough, they also claimed that everyone has free health-care anyway, if you don't have insurance, just go to the emergency room, and you get free care."</b><br /><br />This is absolutely true. You're unisured, you can't be denied treatment. The person who has insurance is the one that gets screwed. The uninsured have a free ride. My sister works in hospital billing. She can provide me with any insight on this you'd like. That's why illegal immigrants go to the ER for everything from a cold to constipation. IT IS FREE FOR THEM.<br /><br />-----<br /><br /><b>"Why do these people think the health-care reform is a bad idea? Especially when many of them would actually benefit from it?"</b><br /><br />Who exactly would benefit from it? The rich? Nope. They're screwed. But I guess that's where the whole Marxist "level playing field" BS comes into play.<br /><br />Does the middle class benefit from it? Hell no. When the rich get screwed, guess what? The crap rolls downhill. They pass the bullcrap on to the middle class. So the middle class Joe might have some sort of public option now, he gets a general economic shaft for it. Plus, he ends up paying twice in some regards. <br /><br />-----<br /><br />Now as far as the race stuff goes, I'll have to reread what you wrote, because I have no idea what point you were trying to make with this. Was it Michael Jackson related? I don't give a damn what color he was, dude was a screwed up drug addict freak. <br /><br />-----<br /><br />Oh, and about this Glenn Beck bobblehead-- are you talking about the Dashboard Obama? If so, he's not wearing a turban, and he's not made to look Muslim. It's supposed to be a play on the dashboard Jesus bobbleheads in the Bible Belt. It's a Christian garb, not a Muslim turban. Where on earth did you get that info from?d. sirmizenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29111830.post-34377245894871444992009-07-27T17:03:20.743-06:002009-07-27T17:03:20.743-06:00Wow, where do I start? I don't think it's...Wow, where do I start? I don't think it's possible for me to respond to this post in a single comment. I may have to leave multiple comments for the multiple issues addressed. I guess I'll just start with the quotes that stand out (both from you and from your friends):<br /><br /><b>"All I need to know I learn from Rush, and sometimes Glenn Beck. But Rush seems to know what I'm thinking."</b><br /><br />I think you're misunderstanding here. People don't seek out talk radio (or any medium) to think for them. They seek it out to validate their own beliefs. It's why talk radio is popular with conservatives and MSNBC and Comedy Central are popular with liberals.<br /><br />People don't have problems <i>formulating</i> their belief systems. They have problems <i>articulating</i> them. It helps to have somebody in essence translate their thoughts into communicable points and validate them. This principal is true no matter one's political persuasion.<br /><br />Where I'll agree with you is that some media consumers (again, be they Rush listeners or Jon Stewart watchers) tend not to fact check their chosen medium. This is ok on minor points and general theory. The secretary at my work, for example, isn't a policial science major or a journalist. She doesn't have time to perform nexus searches all day, read Congressional bills, and analyze trends. Somebody like Rush or Olbermann is paid to do this full-time. If you trust somebody, why not defer to them on some of these issues?d. sirmizenoreply@blogger.com